ROLLING STONES "TRIDENT DEMOS" RARE CHELSEA PRESSING GREAT 68-73 SONGS & SOUND
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ROLLING STONES "TRIDENT DEMOS" RARE CHELSEA FIRST PRESSING GREAT ESSENTIAL 1968-73 MICK TAYLOR ERA OUTTAKES ~ TERRIFIC SOUND.
ROLLING STONES "TRIDENT DEMOS 1969" 2-LP STUDIO OUTTAKES & DEMOS ~ 1968-1973 PERIOD MOSTLY w/ MICK TAYLOR LABEL: CHELSEA RECORDS ~ 2R-68 RELEASED: CIRCA 1980 (FIRST PRESSING) CUSTOM CREAM COLORED LABELS W/ SONG TITLES VINYL IS IN EXCELLENT CONDITION MATRIX (SIDE A): 2R-68 RS -A MATRIX: 2R-68 RS -A,, B, C, D
CONDITION: VINYL: EX- (MARKS ON LABELS) JACKET: VG+ (MILD CORNER CREASING) ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
I've been going thru my massive vinyl record collection over the past few weeks and pulling out some LPs that I thought that someone else would enjoy and want for their collection. I've been collecting records for nearly 50 years now, and it's time to pass some of them on to the next generation of collectors.
After all, we are just temporary 'caretakers' of these musical gems until the next owner and next collection takes them in.
This week on EBay I am offering up this rare, nice clean copy of the fantastic Rolling Stones 'collector' record "Trident Domos 1969".
This is an original 1980 first pressing version of 'Trident Demos' on the Chelsea Record label, Chelsea 2R-68, with the cream colored custom labels.
This is my original copy that I purchased back around 1980, shortly after it was released. I purchased this album 'gently used' during one of my regular vinyl digs at 'Record Revolution', one of the many cool record shops along St Mark's Place in Greenwich Village.
You can see that it still has it's old original $6.50 price sticker on it. Yes, used records were once cheap and reasonably priced back in the day, even rare 'collector' records.
I've taken great care of this record ever since. It's been poly-line sleeved, inside and out, since I purchased it, stored properly in my collection, and is still in fantastic condition. The vinyl and sound are both excellent.
The jacket has some age related, expected wear but the vinyl is in fantastic condition. as they say, you don't play the cover.
Please read and see the full description of this album's content, history, and more details on the record's condition below. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~
This album is ESSENTIAL for any Rolling Stones collector. It’s packed with many fantastic oddities and rarities, and the majority of the songs are from the 1968-1972 period, the prime Mick Taylor years, and many of these songs contain amazing guitar work from Mick Taylor.
In 1968/69, the Rolling Stones, along with their regular keyboard player, Nicky Hopkins, were breaking in their new guitarist Mick Taylor, and some of these songs resulted from loose, unstructured jam sessions.
Other songs are fully finished studio demos and outtakes from Olympic studios in London over the years that, for one reason or another, never ended up being used on a Stones album.
These are all excellent sounding, stereo, soundboard recordings, and just an amazing compilation of great songs. The most interesting aspect about this material is that the bulk of it is absolutely fantastic, and yet the majority of it still remains unreleased by the Stones.
This album shows the band at the peak of their early powers.
Most of us serious Rolling Stones collectors already had much of this material on cassette tapes by the mid to late 70s, especially the instrumental jams with Mick Taylor; 'Leather Jacket', 'Potted Shrimp', 'Aladdin Story', and 'Dancing in the Light', but the very first vinyl release of this material was "The Trident Mixes" on the Magic Dwarf record label, pressed by K&S (K&S 072).
K&S were a Canadian label, based out of Toronto, that were direct competitors with TMOQ, Pig's Eye, Amazing Kornyphone, Rubber Dubber, Ruthless Rhymes, and other 'Collector' record labels.
The first, excellent sounding K&S pressings came out in 1979 with orange labels with the 'Magic Dwarf' logo printed at the top. Originals were on colored vinyl, and I have green, red, and rust colored vinyl copies in my collection. Not sure if other colors exist.
The 'Trident Mixes' album was such a fantastic sounding, essential record for any true Rolling Stones fan that it was soon replicated.
This record is the first of those 'reissues', a rare record called "Trident Demos 1969" pressed by the Chelsea Record Company and released in early 1980.
As word spread about how great the music on this record was, other record companies released their own versions of "Trident Demos" and "Trident Mixes", each containing very similar songs and material, yet each having subtle differences.
This Chelsea pressing of 'Trident Demos' was the first original version from 1980 and sounds better than any of the various later versions.
As is common with these 'collector' records, some of the song titles on these releases were altered to make Stones collectors think the record contained something different and new. We Stones collectors would buy them up thinking we were getting something new, but they were all just copies of the same basic material.
For example "Hamburger To Go" (Originally listed as "Give Me A Hamburger") is also commonly listed as "Stuck Out All Alone" or "Stuck Out Alone".
This was all still way before the Internet, before Discogs, and there wasn’t much known about these songs at the time.
All the different song titles listed on various releases caused confusion with Stones collectors as to what the 'correct' title for these songs really was. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
This is how the tracks of this double album, 'Trident Demos 1969' on Chelsea records were listed on the back cover:
Travelin' Man Instrumental (Leather Jacket) Jiving Sister Fanny Stuck Out All Alone Instrumental (Hamburger to go) Going Down Red Blood Wine Instrumental (Potted Shrimp) Downtown Lucy Save Me Instrumental (Aladdin Story) Family I Two Train Blues (Still a Fool) Instrumental (And I was a Country Boy) Walking Thru The Sleepy City See I Love You (Who am I?) Instrumental (Trident Jam) Memo From Turner I Don't Know Why Too Many Cooks Family II
When this record was first released, the titles of many songs weren't known or were highly debated, so the folks at Chelsea records just gave the songs their own reasonable titles, and gave all the instrumental songs the simple title "instrumental".
Since 1980, so much more information has been discovered about these songs and their 'accepted' titles have been somewhat agreed on. For the 'instrumental' songs above, I added their accepted titles in parenthesis.
Some of these song titles were decided by the Rolling Stones themselves, but I suspect some of the other 'accepted' titles were created by Stones fans and have simply stuck over the years. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~
I’ll discuss some of these songs and they’re known recording history below.
"Leather Jacket" is one of the first Stones songs written by Mick Taylor, but he got no credit for. Recorded at Olympic Sound Studios, London, June 16-July 27 1970, with Nicky Hopkins on piano.
This early instrumental version consists of Mick Taylor repeating the same great melodic guitar lines, but the song was never developed further by the Stones.
It was later worked up by Mick Taylor and released as the lead off track of his 1979 solo album. The song was a staple in Mick Taylor's live shows for years.
"Aladdin Story" (aka "So Devine") is a great instrumental Demo/Outtake featuring the twin guitars of Keith & Mick Taylor floating over Charlie & Bill's tight rhythm. Nicky Hopkins adds layers of marimba, piano and organ, while the Stones' trumpet player Jim Price unusually lays down some excellent touches on the Vibraphone. One of the most 'layered' and 'produced' of the outtakes in this collection.
The track was originally recorded in the Summer of 1970 and it was later re-worked, cleaned up, and released on the May 2010 deluxe, expanded 'Exile On Main Street' album.
"Dancing In The Light" is a great instrumental jam. It was recorded with the Rolling Stones Mobile Recording Unit, at Jagger's country estate Stargroves, out in the Berkshires, and further worked on at Olympic Sound Studios in March - May 1970.
It was later worked up again, adding vocals, at Henson/The Village Recorders studios in LA and also released on the May 2010 deluxe, expanded 'Exile On Main Street'.
"I Don't Know Why" (aka 'Don't Know Why I Love You' and 'I Don't Know') was recorded on July 3rd 1969, at Olympic Studios London, the night that news broke of Brian Jones's death, during the sessions for 'Let It Bleed'. A slightly different version was released on 1975's 'Metamorphosis'.
"Potted Shrimp" is a fantastic instrumental. It was also recorded at Stargroves during October 1970. Although never released on any official album, the excellent tune appears on many different Rolling Stones 'Collector' albums. Years later, the song was worked up by the Stones, vocals were added, and the song was retitled "Tell Her How It is".
"Trident Jam" (aka "Prefab", "Instrumental Jam") is just what is says; a fantastic powerful loose jam with what at first sounds like just Mick Taylor and Keith trading off blistering guitar leads, with Charlie's simple groove driving the jam forward. Bill comes in at the end, trying to add rhythm to keep things going, but his plodding bass distracts Mick and the song breaks down.
This song shows what a great 'spontaneous' guitarist Mick Taylor was and is a fine example of his ability to play both lead and rhythm guitar at the same time. That skill really helped the Stones 'hold together', both in the studio, but especially live in concert.
Stones legend claims this was captured 'live in the moment' during sessions at Mick Jagger's Stargroves mansion in March-May 1970.
"I'm Going Down" ~ The version on this album is an early mix of the 'Metamorphosis' version. Recorded in late June 1970, at Olympic. It features Bobby Keys on Sax and Rocky Dijon on Percussion, and has that classic early 70's Rolling Stones sound. Fantastic.
"Downtown Suzie" ~ One of the few Stones songs written by Bill Wyman and features Ry Cooder. It was recorded on April 23, 1969 during the 'Let It Bleed' sessions. A version of this song was released in 1975 on "Metamorphosis".
"Blood Red Wine" (aka "Red Blood Wine") is an outtake featuring Mick Jagger's vocals from the 'Beggar’s Banquet' sessions. It was recorded at Olympic in May 1968.
"Travellin' Man" was recorded at Olympic in October 1970. A great song that strangely remains unreleased. 'Travellin Man' was later revisited and worked up near the end of the 'Exile' sessions at Nellcote in October 1971, but didn't make the cut.
"Who Am I?" (aka "See I Love You") was recorded in June/July 1970 at Olympic. It's a long repetitive song with Keith constantly repeating the same riff and Jagger's very simple repetitive "Who am I, see I love you" lyrics, but the highlight of this track is Charlie's amazing drumming and percussion. It's in a really strange time signature and full of odd percussive touches. I'm sure the Stones kept this track to work that crazy rhythm up at a later date. It remains unreleased. It's certainly 'unique' in the Stones vast catalog.
"Jiving Sister Fanny" (Version 1) is a driving rock song recorded in 1969. A different, similar version was released on the 1975 album "Metamorphosis".
"Still a Fool" (aka: "Two Trains" or "Two Train Blues") is a terrific, loose, long, bluesy Muddy Waters cover recorded at Olympic in May 1968 during the 'Beggars Banquet' sessions.
Oddly, there are 2 versions of "Family" on this album, which start and end the 2nd record. It's an odd bluesy song about a dysfunctional family, death and taboo sexual topics. Several versions were recorded at Olympic Sound Studios in May and June 1968. This album contains a much better, darker version of "Family" than the 'clean' one that appears on 'Metamorphosis'.
The early version of 'Memo from Turner' from 1968 on this album has additional acoustic guitar and different vocals than the later, released versions.
"And I Was A Country Boy" is an instrumental outtake recorded at Olympic on March 23. 1969. The track features Nicky Hopkins laying down some nice piano.
'Save Me' and 'Too Many Cooks' are great unreleased songs from 1973 but are slightly 'out of place' on this album.
This album ranks among among one of the best Rolling Stones 'collector' records and contains some of their greatest unreleased work from the late 60s and early 70s. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Here are some of the dates of these recordings based on various reference books, the Forums, and other sources:
**May 13th-23rd, 1968: Olympic Sound Studios, London Give Me A Hamburger To Go (aka Stuck Out Alone) Downtown Suzie / Blood Red Wine Still A Fool / Family
**June 28th, 1968: Olympic Sound Studios, London Family
**November 17th, 1968: Olympic Sound Studios, London Memo From Turner
**February 10th, 1969: Olympic Sound Studios, London And I Was A Country Boy
**April 17th - July 2nd, 1969: Olympic St. London 17 April- 2 July 69; Jiving Sister Fanny / Downtown Suzie I Don t Know Why
**October-November 1969: Sunset Boulevard Studios and Elektra Studios, L.A. I'm Going Down
**March 14th, 1970: Mick's House Stargroves, Newbury, UK Dancing In The Light / Who Am I?
**March-May 1970: Olympic Sound Studios, London Trident Jam?
**June 16th - July 1970: Olympic Sound Studios, London Leather Jacket / I'm Going Down
**October 17th - 30th, 1970: Olympic Sound Studios, London Travelling Man / Potted Shrimp Aladdin Story / Trident Jam?
**May 28- 1973: Island Rec.St.London 28 May 73 onwards; Save Me
**November 25th, 1972: Dynamic Sound Studios, Kingston, Jamaica I Don't Know Why
**December 1973: The Record Plant Los Angeles Too Many Cooks ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
These are the best estimates of the dates of these recordings, but there's always been debate over the exact dates.
For example, many Stones collectors feel that the instrumental jams 'Leather Jacket', 'Potted Shrimp', 'Aladdin Story', and 'Dancing In The Light' were not done at Olympic in 1970, but recorded later, in November 1972, at Elektra studios in Los Angeles.
Whatever the exact dates, this is all material from 1968-1973 and it's all excellent and worth having in your collection. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
THE HISTORY AND STORY BEHIND THIS 'TRIDENT DEMOS' RECORD
When this record appeared on the market in 1980, Rolling Stones fans and collectors wondered how 2-LP's worth of fantastic vintage unreleased material, from various years and various sources, could just seemingly 'pop up' out of nowhere.
Actually the material on this record had been slowly developing behind the scenes for several years.
The history of this record, and the songs on it, goes back to 1972 after the very successful 'Hot Rocks' compilation, which was released the previous December.
By early 1972, the Rolling Stones had parted ways with both Decca and ex-manager Allen Klein, but the Stones settlement contract with Klein still allowed him the rights to release one last album.
Klein‘s plan was to issue a disc of 'rarities' to follow up on the success of 'Hot Rocks'.
Klein then set about scouring the Decca vaults, looking for the very best, unreleased material for his final 'rape of the vaults'. It was his last chance to profit off 'new' older Rolling Stones material.
Bill Wyman was given the task of going through the vaults and suggesting tracks. Wyman's choices included mostly BBC tracks, live tracks, and rare unissued covered tunes from the earlier years.
The Stones' prior manager Andrew Oldham was also tasked with suggesting and compiling some songs.
Bill and Andrew chose some amazing, fantastic material from the vaults, but the problem was that their choices, the best songs, weren’t penned by Jagger/Richards.
Klein decided to call his rarities album 'Necrophilia', and insisted that it mostly contain songs written by Jagger/Richards, purely for monetary reasons, since he now owned the rights to that earlier Decca material.
Klein‘s team couldn’t decide on what material to release, so 'Necrophilia' was put aside for the time being, but Klein was still owed one last record.
The Stones' record label, desperate for a new record, new product, issued 'More Hot Rocks' instead.
The Stones then released 'Sticky Fingers', on their own label, to great success, which annoyed Allen Klein.
A few years went by, and in 1974, Klein again revisited the idea of an album of Stones rarities and unreleased material for the one last album he was still owed.
Bill Wyman, the band's unofficial historian, was again asked to compile some songs and came up with the famous "Black Box" project of rarities, which the Stones considered releasing themselves, but never did. It's available in the 'collector' market, and like this album, essential stuff.
Independent of Bill, Charlie Watts was also asked to suggest and compile some songs. Charlie’s selection of tracks for Klein‘s album contained 'See I Love You', an unremarkable track, except for Charlie’s amazing drum work, that appears on this 'Trident Demos' record.
Once again, Charlie and Bill both selected too many cover tunes and Klein rejected their choices, wanting more Jagger/Richards songs for monetary reasons.
Klein and his team went back and scoured the vaults again, listening, not just to 'finished' songs this time, but the actual the recording sessions, looking for lost gems. They found them.
Klein realized that the Stones music had changed drastically since the late 60's, so he focused more on the 'recent' material rather than their older songs. Klein realized that the Stones' earlier material didn't have the same commercial value that it once did.
Klein's team managed to compile some of the best unreleased material from the 1968-1974 period, the Mick Taylor years. That material eventually became the source for much of this record.
Some of the best session outtakes from those years were collected on tape and were considered for inclusion on Klein's last record. The very best of that session material was cut onto Acetates for wider listening and further consideration.
Allen Klein made some Acetates at New York's Bell Sound studios in America and Klein's team in London cut some acetates at the new, state of the art, Trident studios in Soho. Those acetates became the source of this album.
After listening to tapes, acetates, and comparing suggested lists, song titles still could not be agreed on, so Klein ended up using some songs from Charlie and Bill's lists, some mostly finished versions of songs from the Mick Taylor years session tapes, and a few older items from the Decca vaults, like "Sleepy City" and released the choppy, disjointed "Metamorphosis" album in 1975.
'Metamorphosis', actually a great album with some true rarities, sold poorly and Allen Klein went out with a whimper instead of a bang.
Several alternate versions of the songs on this "Trident Demos" album appear on "Metamorphosis", showing the clear link between the two records and Klein's efforts in originally uncovering these Mick Taylor era gems.
Allen Klein's Abkco link to the source of the material on this album is supported by the inclusion of "(Walkin’ Thru) the Sleepy City" which is an old Stones song recorded at I.B.C. Studios in the Fall of 1964. The track was finished with overdubs at Pye studios in London, where Jimmy Page and John McLaughlin, both studio musicians at the time, added some great guitar bits.
Despite all the effort put into recording it, by the time it was finished, musical tastes had changed, and the over-produced, Phil-Spector-ish song was never issued.
Allen Klein discovered it in the vaults and ended up releasing it on 'Metamorphosis' in 1975. I'm sure both Jimmy Page and McLaughlin's fame at the time with Led Zeppelin and Mahavishnu Orchestra had something to do with his choice to include it, to maximize sales.
Klein's acetates eventually found their way into private hands. Although none of these songs were recorded at Trident studios, an album was put together and given the name of 'Trident Demos' since that was the name that appeared on the label of the acetates, and the record makers assumed they were originally from Trident.
"Sleepy City" is totally out of place on this "Trident Demos" album. It's only 'accidentally' here because it was likely tacked on to one of Klein's acetates and the record makers didn't know what it was, assuming it was another late 60's track.
That's the long, interesting story of how this album "Trident Denos 1969" and it's sister album "Trident Mixes" came about. They didn't just pop up out of the blue, they had been around, behind the scenes, for quite some time. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
CONDITION:
I tried to show good hi-resolution photos of the cover, labels and vinyl in my pictures.
This is my original, First Pressing copy of 'Trident Demos' that I purchased 'used' back around 1980, nearly 45 years ago, at 'Record Revolution' on St. Mark's Place in Greenwich Village.
You can see it still has it's original price sticker on it. I left the price sticker on as a nostalgic reminder of where I found it, but I purchased many records at 'Record Revolution' during my time in New York and their price stickers are easy to remove, I just chose to leave this one on. I'll let the winning bidder leave it or remove it.
VINYL: The vinyl is still fantastic. Clean and bright, with a nice glossy sheen. No obvious hairlines, scratches, flaws, dings or damage. It looks perfect, sounds great, and I'm sure you'll be happy with it.
This record is beautifully pressed on thick heavy high quality vinyl with fantastic sound to match. You can see from my photos how terrific it looks.
LABELS. This first pressing has Yellow/Tan custom labels with the album title and song titles listed. The spindle holes are clean and sharp, suggesting infrequent playing and my careful handling over the years.
The labels are clean and bright, but, as you can see in my pictures, most of the songs have a black pen mark next to them. It's something I stupidly did back in the day when I used to play my own records on my radio show, marking the best tracks and their 'style'. It's not a big deal, but does 'damage' the labels and should be pointed out. As they say, you don't play the labels! It's also why I'm calling the vinyl VG+; the vinyl is perfect, but the labels have marks.
I haven't messed with this disc or cleaned it, other than my trusty 'DiscWasher' brush, in 45 years, so it's a little 'dusty' and would likely benefit from a good deep cleaning to make it even better looking and better sounding than it already is. I'll also leave that up to the winning bidder.
JACKET: The relatively thin, single cardboard jacket of this release held 2 thick records, so ringwear is an issue on most copies. The mostly solid black cover makes the ringwear stand out more. The ringwear isn't that bad, but there is some present.
This thin jacket was also susceptible to corner 'creases', so this jacket has some wear from being stored and shifted around in my collection for 40+ years, but as you can see it still looks decent and very acceptable. I showed details of some of the 'creased' corners in my pictures.
I purchased this record 'used' and the record shop I purchased it from 'touched up' some of the corners and edges with black marker before selling it. It's done very well and blends perfectly. I didn't notice it at first, and you don't really notice it, but it should be mentioned. Again, not a big deal.
The album jacket art, limited as it is, was influenced by the famous 'toilet' cover of 'Sticky Fingers'. The jacket art has a very crude DIY aspect to it.
Other than some 'crinkles' and 'creases', the album cover is in nice condition, but does show some expected wear. No marks, names, or writing. The corners are decent, the spine is straight, and there are no seam splits or other issues.
It's an amazing rare survivor. You just don't see these anymore. The vinyl is about as good a copy of this classic rare release as you're ever likely to find these days.
Overall, a terrific Rolling Stones 'Collector' record featuring a fantastic collection of great sounding studio rarities from the band's classic late 60's Mick Taylor era, what many consider their first great, classic period.
Very nice, all original, and a real gem. I'm sure you'll be very happy to add it to your collection. It would make a great addition to any Classic Rock or Stones vinyl record collection. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
** NOTE: I'm selling this rare 'Collector' record "AS IS" and "NO RETURN". It's rare, and as described, and I'm sure you'll be very happy with it. A great, rare, original, excellent sounding copy.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ I’m recently retired and downsizing and letting go some gems and rarities from nearly 50 years of vinyl record collecting.
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Keep an eye on my Ebay page, 'jjrbyrne' for more of these great rare collectible albums, EPs and 45 singles.
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