CARAVAN WATERLOO LILY DERAM 1st. BROWN LABEL RARE VINYL

	£		127
	$		168

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First Issues, First Pressings & Originals: Please note that when I refer to a First Issue I mean that the evidence suggests that the album offered is from the first batch that was issued for commercial release in the country of origin stated in the listing. Where I state First Press I mean that based on a reasonable interpretation of the matrices and stamper codes the vinyl comes from the first batch pressed using that particular ‘mother’; these statements alone do not always mean that the vinyl is from the very first ’stamper’ ever made. However, where I state First Issue and First Press it is likely that the album offered includes one (or more) of the early vinyl(s) produced in the country of origin from the first ‘mother(s)’ and ‘stamper(s)’. Original means that the record bears the first label design for that particular pressing and, in the case of the cover, it is from the first cover manufacturer for that pressing; it may have very slight changes, if they were made within the first production run or, if the album was issued with a choice of cover designs or colours on first release, but in these cases I will try and explain the differences. This is not an exact science and anomalies will occur where I may make a mistake but I believe this will not happen very often - if it does then all of my buyers have the unequivocal reassurance of my Comprehensive Returns Policy.

Album / Record Title: WATERLOO LILY

Rarity: SERIOUSLY RARE - Caravan’s fourth album released in 1972 following the considerable success of their best known and best selling album ‘In the Land of Grey and Pink’ which was always going to be a difficult album to follow. In the event it was a task too far, the album was met with some consternation by Caravan followers and music critics alike. In relative terms Waterloo Lily sold in small quantity, was not a commercial success never troubling the album chart compilers and ultimately led to the group disbanding. Consequently, it is EXTREMELY difficult to find THIS GENUINE FIRST ISSUE, FIRST PRESSING WITH THE DERAM BROWN LABEL. Occasionally red label variants are offered, and passed of, as first pressings and while they may be early and from an early ‘mother’ ONLY THE BROWN LABEL VARIANTS WITH THE 1 G STAMPERS IN THE VINYL RUN OFF ARE AMONG THE VERY EARLIEST TRUE FIRST PRESSINGS, THEY ARE ALSO PRESSED ON NOTICEABLY HEAVIER VINYL. This one is from EARLIEST ORIGINAL UK PRESS made just prior to the commercial release date in 1972 and parented by the first ‘mother’.

The key features are listed below:

• COMPLETE ORIGINAL UK ALBUM & VERY FIRST ISSUE
• A UK FIRST PRESSING FIRST MATRICES & STAMPERS & JT CODE
• SUPERB HEAVYWEIGHT VINYL IN EXCELLENT CONDITION
• STEREO RECORDING FORMAT DELIVERING SENSATIONAL AUDIO
• ORIGINAL DERAM BROWN CRESCENT LABELS EXCELLENT PLUS
• ORIGINAL DERAM COMPANY SMALL STEREO POLY-LINED INNER
• ORIGINAL UK ROBERT STACE NON LAMINATED GATEFOLD
• EXTREMELY HARD TO FIND EXCELLENT FIRST PRESS ORIGINALS

Artiste(s): CARAVAN - Richard Sinclair, Pye Hastings, Richard Coughlan, Steve Miller

Disc Format: 12” LP

Recording Format: STEREO

Record label: ORIGINAL DECCA ‘LARGE’ WHITE DERAM WITH BROWN OVER WHITE CRESCENT WITH BROWN PRINT

Catalogue Number: SDL 8

Country of origin and first published date: MADE IN ENGLAND 1972

Vinyl ‘run off’ matrices side 1:     ZAL-11258.P-3W

Vinyl ‘run off’ matrices side 2:     ZAL-11259.P-3W

Vinyl ‘run off’ stampers side 1:    1  G  JT

Vinyl ‘run off’ stampers side 2:    1  G  JT

Track Listing as per cover: SIDE 1: WATERLOO LILY / NOTHING AT ALL - IT’S COMING SOO - NOTHING AT ALL / SONGS AND SIGNS / SIDE 2: ARISTOCRACY / THE LOVE IN YOUR EYE - TO CATCH ME A BROTHER - SUBSULTUS - DEBOUCHEMENT - TILBURY KECKS / THE WORLD IS YOURS

My opinion and summary of condition: By the time this fourth Caravan album was released the group were deservedly highly acclaimed and had a considerable following. Founder members of the ‘Canterbury Scene’ they had already made their mark during the late sixties psychedelic era with their self titled debut album continuing with the jazzier ‘If I Could…..’ in 1970 in a similar genre to their contemporaries Soft Machine. ‘In The Land Of Grey And Pink’ is regarded by many as their best album and it is certainly deserving of high praise. To some extent it created an expectation and overshadowed Waterloo Lily - Steve Miller joined the group, a more jazz based influence came to the fore and the followers were not convinced. I personally think that it is a great album, alongside the best, and history may read it that way. It is often the case that albums that were not the most popular on first release are later recognised as real classics. This is a fine example with FIRST MATRICES & STAMPERS, most likely to be ONE OF THE VERY EARLIEST FIRST PRESSINGS. This represents a RARE OPPORTUNITY to buy an EXCELLENT EXAMPLE of a VERY SCARCE GREAT ALBUM.

MY GRADING OF THIS ALBUM (based on Record Collector ‘Rare Record Price Guide 2008’)

Vinyl Visual side 1: EXCELLENT, a fair amount of movement lines and light bag marks restricted to the surface, but they have no tangible depth and minimal audio consequence.

Vinyl Visual side 2: EXCELLENT, a fair amount of movement lines and light bag marks restricted to the surface, but they have no tangible depth and minimal audio consequence.

Label Visual side 1: EXCELLENT PLUS, light spindle lines, a few very light handling marks, no tears, no scuffs, no visible spindle hole wear.

Label Visual side 2: EXCELLENT PLUS, light spindle lines, a few very light handling marks, no tears, no scuffs, no visible spindle hole wear.

Outer Cover: EXCELLENT the iconic original non laminated gatefold cover ‘Printed in England by Robert Stace’, mid weight card construction. Light surface creases adjacent to the seam at the back edge of the front and back cover and slightest of discolouration at the edges - along the top of the centre spread. Some rub wear at the edges and corners and a little on the front and back which has caused minor and not very visible indents. A few mini dents, slight ‘burring’ at the entry edge. The centre spread - one of my favourites - is in excellent condition, just the small band of discolouration across the top which I mentioned previously.  In my opinion a gatefold in EXCELLENT condition, but please take a close look at the super-sized photographs and make your own assessment as well.

Spine: EXCELLENT, physically first rate with strong square shoulders, a little rub wear at the ends. The usual and unavoidable light fold line down the centre caused by careful opening and closing over time - clean, clear and fully readable.

Inner Sleeve: VERY GOOD PLUS, genuine DECCA DERAM original standard white paper with blue print and small stereo - 1972 variant; lightly creased and slightly discoloured

Vinyl Warp: none visible when eye tested on a moving turntable.

Vinyl Weight: 156 grammes (a dynamic DERAM heavyweight)

Play Grade: EXCELLENT

Audio Performance: THIS IS A DELIGHTFUL DERAM HEAVY VINYL WHICH PLAYS SUPERBLY AND DELIVERS AUDIO TO AN EXCELLENT STANDARD THROUGHOUT - BRIGHT, CLEAR, FULL BODIED AND POSITIVE. THERE IS SOME UNDERLYING SURFACE SOUND NOTICEABLE FROM TIME TO TIME BUT FOR ME IT WAS NOT INTRUSIVE AND CERTAINLY NOT UNPLEASANT OR DISTRACTING. AS REGULAR VISITORS TO MY LISTINGS WILL KNOW I ALWAYS SAY PLEASE BEAR IN MIND THAT THIS SECTION AND THE GRADING IS BASED ENTIRELY ON MY PERSONAL OPINION AND AUDIO PERCEPTION BELONGS TO THE INDIVIDUAL. WITH VINYL CLARITY THERE IS ALWAYS LIGHT TRANSITIONAL SURFACE SOUND WHICH IS INEVITABLE FROM THIS MEDIUM, EVEN WHEN NEW, AND OCCASIONALLY A LITTLE LIGHT CRACKLE WHICH IS OFTEN STATIC; OR EVEN A RANDOM SOFT TICK - BUT I THOROUGHLY ENJOYED THIS - REAL AND DYNAMIC SOUND FROM VINYL - ABSOLUTELY CLEAR AND CAPTIVATING, CARAVAN AS THEY SHOULD BE HEARD.

Other: In my opinion this is an exceptionally rare and important example of a timeless musical masterpiece - HIGHLY RECOMMENDED

PLEASE TAKE A LOOK AT MY OTHER LISTINGS BY CLICKING ON THE ‘VIEW SELLERS OTHER ITEMS’ IN THE TOP RIGHT HAND CORNER BOX OF THIS LISTING - THANK YOU.

My definition of a rare vinyl: Generally there is agreement that to qualify for the description rare there should not be too many of the type offered, available on the market at the time. With my listings that will be the main criterion however I will also occasionally claim rarity based on excellence of condition, or some other key feature, or an accompanying item such as an insert, which is not often found with similar vinyls.

UK first and early pressings: This has become something of a ‘fashion accessory’ for many of the albums listed on eBay and, as with fashion, there are many imitators. Of course with the more popular huge selling albums, where the record companies were fairly sure of major sales from the outset, there were many first pressings but otherwise this was not usually the case. Generally the lower the numbers in the matrices and stamper codes on the vinyl ‘run off’ areas, on both sides of a record, the earlier the pressing therefore ‘A1’ & ‘B1’ are most often first or early pressings, but there are variants and exceptions to the rule. The most notable ones, for example where the ‘1’ matrix was only used for test pressings so the commercial releases started at ‘2’, are well documented now but there are a few more observations which are worth noting. There are low numbered matrices which belong to second and even third pressings (in these cases the record companies gave similar numbers to the first press of a re-issue) you can normally identify these by, examining the labels which are often different in texture and/or design, and by checking the weight of the record as the earlier pressings were normally heavier. This weight difference can also be indicative where different symbols were used in the matrices. For example some record companies first denoted early pressings with A61 & B61 and then soon after changed to A // 1 & B // 1, in these cases weight of the vinyl is often very helpful with identification. Occasionally there are high numbers on first pressings, but this is unusual. Other points to note are the manufacturer of the ‘cover’ or ‘outer sleeve’ and various characteristics or design variants. The ‘inner sleeve’ or ‘bag’ can also be an indicator. However it is not wise to rely on details beyond the matrices and labels as the covers and sleeves can easily be interchanged. ‘Made Up’, Swapped’ or ‘Doctored’ sets are not uncommon, particularly with high value albums which have inserts and special text, so the best advice is to try and make sure that everything matches the criteria thus eliminating most of the risk (a good look at the photographs on the listing, if they are of the actual item offered as they are on all of my listings, is always advisable). As a general rule I suggest that you don’t pay hundred’s or thousands of pounds unless you are buying from a reliable source who provide you with comprehensive information and have a clearly stated ‘Returns Policy’ - or unless you’ve got money to throw away (and in that case there are any number of far more deserving charities)

Audio reproduction on vinyl: In my experience there is always an element of surface or background sound with audio reproduction on vinyl, even when new - very hard to imagine how there could not be when two solid surfaces come into contact with each other and are then amplified! In my opinion anybody who claims there is no surface sound, or ‘silence’, is hard of hearing, has not turned the amplifier on, or is using very poor quality audio equipment. Almost all used vinyl has at least light surface scratches which are always visible when viewed under a bright halogen light - which is what I use for inspection. So if you are uncomfortable with a bit of light crackling it’s probably best not to buy vinyl. In my opinion the light surface sound is more than compensated for by the clarity and ‘reality’ of the overall sound reproduction. I listen carefully to every album I list, before listing it for sale.

Finally: All of this comment contained in this listing is subjective, it is based only on my opinion and your expectations may not necessarily correspond with my standards. If you receive an album from me and you have some differences please remember to use reasonable communication as a first option. I have a comprehensive non confrontational ‘Returns Policy’ which is clearly set out below and providing there is no abuse, or use the negative feedback system, I will always reimburse you in full for your direct costs if you return the album correctly.

TERMS AND CONDITIONS OF SALE

DESCRIPTIONS: Are given in good faith, but they are based on my opinion and standards.  Bidders should note that they offer at their own risk and must satisfy themselves that they have sufficient information about the item before they enter the bidding process.  Please ask questions before you become involved with the auction, NOT afterwards! Where I list sizes/dimensions they are either as stated on the item/label by the supplier/manufacturer or reasonably accurately hand tape measured; however, they are not necessarily precise, should be taken as approximate and not relied upon where absolute precision is required. This clause does not in any way affect your rights under the terms of my ‘Returns Policy’, it is stated to prevent unnecessary inconvenience to both parties.

INFORMATION: Whilst I take care to try and provide accurate information on the original listing it is possible that new information may become available to me afterwards. I therefore strongly recommend that all bidders read any revisions and the ongoing questions / answers section of the listing before bidding as they may contain updated information which could affect your valuation of the item(s). In the event that new information is published, after the time you have become the high bidder, which adversely affects your valuation of the item(s) and you wish to withdraw from the bidding process please email your request and I will use the cancel bid option with no ongoing liability to any of the parties involved in the auction.

PHOTOGRAPHS: All photographs contained within this listing show the actual item (s) offered – they are not catalogue, archive or library photographs.  Furthermore they are direct images and not re-touched or modified in any way. I try to make good and comprehensive use of images on the listing in order to give the prospective bidder the best opportunity to evaluate the item(s); however it is possible that in some circumstances the photographs can enhance the appearance of the item(s) due to compression so please take this into account before bidding and do not hesitate to ask for more images or information which I am happy to send by attachment to email. This is particularly recommended with overseas buyers where returns are often not a viable option.  

OVERSEAS BUYERS WELCOME: I am pleased to deal with buyers from anywhere in the world. My method of LP packaging reduces the risk to your valuable vinyls & covers in transit. Makes no sense to me to buy something important and then play the ‘high risk of damage game’ when having it shipped around the world – I hope you feel the same. Unless the prospective bidder / buyer states a preference I always quote Airmail as Surface Mail does not usually cost much less and takes a long time (again more risk of damage or loss I think). Also please note that for British Pounds £3.30 extra you can have an International Signed for service which includes insurance up to £32. Insurance quotations to a value you specify in advance of shipping are available on request.

PACKING & POSTAGE:  Vinyl’s are removed from covers and placed in separate transit sleeves. All components are then placed side by side in a polythene inner for extra safety and water resistance and then secured between two corrugated card stiffeners. I use Heavy Duty Mailers Specifically Designed for Vinyl Albums, which provide excellent security and protection, in conjunction with my own Ultra Safe reinforced sealing and packaging method. Internally I use 2 of the highest grade ‘B’ flute corrugated card stiffeners to prevent bending, deformation or edge/corner creasing. Packing & postage prices are NOT negotiable on items dispatched individually or separately. However, if you are a similar time multiple buyer where all items purchased are being sent to the same address and they can be combined safely, you can ask for a discounted quotation before bidding. I will always try to be fair with buyers on p&p costs but if you do not want to pay the prices on the listings or quotations please do not bid.  I am not interested in hearing from successful bidders afterwards questioning and complaining about cost of packing and postage! I always keep proof of posting but unless you pay for Recorded Delivery, International Signed For, Special Delivery or Full Insurance I may not be able to assist you with recovery of the item or any of the costs.

Where postal insurance is included it is subject to Royal Mail Standard Terms & Conditions. Quotations for other insurance or premiums to cover increased values are available on request.

PAYMENT: For Buyers WITHIN the UK: PayPal, or Pound sterling cheques / money orders, with minimum 7 days to clear before despatch.

PAYMENT: For Buyers OUTSIDE of the UK: Payments by PayPal only please.

CANCELLATION: The Seller reserves the right to cancel any bid, entirely at his discretion and without giving prior notice, in the following circumstances:

They have reason to believe that the bidder has not complied with the terms of their offer as set out on the listing.

The bidder’s feedback is of such limited quantity that it cannot be regarded as reliable.

The bidder’s feedback is of dubious quality and/or gives the seller any indication or reason to doubt the credibility of the bid.

MY FEEDBACK POLICY: I leave feedback for buyers after they inform me that they have received the item(s) and have left me their feedback. As I have a clearly stated Returns Policy, which does not expose the buyer to any direct loss whatsoever, I see no reason for either side to indulge in negative feedback. Providing the buyer does not engage in threats, abuse or use of negative feedback I will resolve any problem in a fair and reasonable way. If you have a problem or complaint about any transaction you have made with me contact me on somemightsell_e@btinternet.com and we will find a solution that is acceptable to you.

SUPERSIZED PHOTOGRAPHS: I have super-sized the photographs below to provide prospective bidders with the best opportunity to make their valuation before entering the bidding process, please just click on the ‘Larger Picture’ and arrows to use this facility. Sometimes due to reflection these images can appear slightly distorted, ‘graining’ can appear and dust particles can be exaggerated by the light - in reality there are no defects of this kind.